I still disagree. How can authors take possession and control of their GR author profiles if they don't even know they exist? That someone's created them in the first place? I'd bet that most of the names on that fic list don't know they're on there.
It's like if someone creates a facebook profile under my name and doesn't tell me about it. It might be legal, but it sure as heck isn't ethical.
Entries pulled from here, so feel free to poke around.
Thanks for the link. I did poke around a bit. It looks like perhaps the librarians are adding info to the author profiles? Most of them had livejournal, twitter and/or AO3 account info attached.
Gekizetsu is on my flist and I know her, so I looked at her profile. It lists her real first name and quotes about the origin of her name and some nicknames that aren't posted publicly anywhere that I could find, and a link to her completely flocked LJ. I've asked her if she knows about it on twitter. I'll let you know.
Felisblanco is trying to publish The Doors of Time, so I'd imagine that she might be upset to see it already on GR and not under her control? Not to mention that Petit Madame's fanart is included as Felis's profile pic. (Enlarges pretty darned big if you click on it.)
The fic "Twist and Shout" is actually uploaded to Goodreads as a downloadable file. Not sure if the author knows about that one. My bad. I read it wrong. It links to AO3.
Fleshflutter's fics all have reposted fanart uploaded as covers that can be enlarged to a fairly large size. 3-4 times larger than a thumbnail. (If you hover over the image on the book's page, it gives you the option to enlarge cover.) The art does seem to be credited though.
The Redemption Road author is listed as "various", no one is actually mentioned by name, so there's pretty much nothing they can do about that fic if they wanted it pulled, and no artist credit for the cover.
So as long as the GR "culture" is doing stuff like this without people's knowledge or consent, I don't have much sympathy. That's not even getting into making things googleable that might not have been previously. (Most of my friends know about anti-spider and anti-indexing options.) I think it's overstepping bounds, maybe not legally, but at the very least ethically. And just because fandom is expanding and changing, it doesn't make these behaviors right. I think the GR people need to adapt more to fanculture, not the other way around. Their whole controlling "we can do whatever we want, so gtfo" attitude is hugely abrasive and offensive. You don't go into someone's home, take things and then bitch about them when they find out and are unhappy about it. It's just basic common courtesy.
But it all boils down to "you can't fix it if you don't know it's broke." (And that's not even getting into the evil empire Amazon connection! ;)
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Date: 2014-12-17 09:04 am (UTC)It's like if someone creates a facebook profile under my name and doesn't tell me about it. It might be legal, but it sure as heck isn't ethical.
Entries pulled from here, so feel free to poke around.
Thanks for the link. I did poke around a bit. It looks like perhaps the librarians are adding info to the author profiles? Most of them had livejournal, twitter and/or AO3 account info attached.
Gekizetsu is on my flist and I know her, so I looked at her profile. It lists her real first name and quotes about the origin of her name and some nicknames that aren't posted publicly anywhere that I could find, and a link to her completely flocked LJ. I've asked her if she knows about it on twitter. I'll let you know.
Felisblanco is trying to publish The Doors of Time, so I'd imagine that she might be upset to see it already on GR and not under her control? Not to mention that Petit Madame's fanart is included as Felis's profile pic. (Enlarges pretty darned big if you click on it.)
The fic "Twist and Shout" is actually uploaded to Goodreads as a downloadable file. Not sure if the author knows about that one.My bad. I read it wrong. It links to AO3.Fleshflutter's fics all have reposted fanart uploaded as covers that can be enlarged to a fairly large size. 3-4 times larger than a thumbnail. (If you hover over the image on the book's page, it gives you the option to enlarge cover.) The art does seem to be credited though.
The Redemption Road author is listed as "various", no one is actually mentioned by name, so there's pretty much nothing they can do about that fic if they wanted it pulled, and no artist credit for the cover.
There's also these: https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/2120086-fanfiction-deletion?page=2&ref=ru_lihp_cm_tp_11_mclk-exp71cell166_exp69cell155-up2043844976#comment_111040928
https://www.goodreads.com/user_status/show/54428714?page=2#comment_111100055
So as long as the GR "culture" is doing stuff like this without people's knowledge or consent, I don't have much sympathy. That's not even getting into making things googleable that might not have been previously. (Most of my friends know about anti-spider and anti-indexing options.) I think it's overstepping bounds, maybe not legally, but at the very least ethically. And just because fandom is expanding and changing, it doesn't make these behaviors right. I think the GR people need to adapt more to fanculture, not the other way around. Their whole controlling "we can do whatever we want, so gtfo" attitude is hugely abrasive and offensive. You don't go into someone's home, take things and then bitch about them when they find out and are unhappy about it. It's just basic common courtesy.
But it all boils down to "you can't fix it if you don't know it's broke." (And that's not even getting into the
evil empireAmazon connection! ;)